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Learn more at https://drawlucy.com/pages/history This is a very interesting interview with David Hockney, where he explains and demonstrates the use of camera obscuras and camera lucidas in the artwork of the Old Masters chronicled in his book Secret Knowledge: Rediscovering the Lost Techniques of the Old Masters. 3 of 3
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Renilou2 (2 months ago)
Lost edges in shadow doesn't mean a lens was used making it "out of focus." Gez! Many artists do this even today because the affect is attractive. Lost and found edges are simply desirable to see and anyone can see this in shadow effects in nature with our own eyes.
Gregory Whoee (5 years ago)
totally agree.
Gregory Whoee (5 years ago)
that maybe so and am sure some painters used such techniques [no secret to any but the ignorant actually] but nevertheless for hock to try to sell us the story that such uses of camera obscura etc was by one and all and the major outcome of these 'masters' is decieving. yeah i know he wanted to get publicity for his book n all. Don't we all, oh by the way ive got a book to sell too on the art world- "Hideous an erotic art world tale" by g.hoey on amazon
scotty (5 years ago)
Rose is such a pathetic jerk but Hockney is great and important.
libraryofcorn (5 years ago)
great
Gregory Whoee (6 years ago)
Why would a competant artist waste time frikin around in a dark room going over lines all night or day wrecking his eyesight when he could just as easily do same thing with eye to hand dexterity and skill based training which was brutal in the middle ages and rennaisance. Hockney is ABSURD! utterly. greg hoey
Josh Porter (6 years ago)
I don't know why this theory would surprise anyone. People believe in God despite the lack of robust evidence - yet they remain skeptic that a professional artist way back when might have used optical aids to paint or draw better....
1414mwh (7 years ago)
@TheStefanNestor I think every artist has their own interpretation of reality, which inevitably shows itself in their work, but I can't entertain Hockney's theories because they dwell on the lines of a painting. I'm sure some artists did use camera obscura, but I think the overall message is a generalization of realist artists. I consider myself a skeptic, but I find his theories hard to swallow, and it seems to me that his goal has been to turn a non-issue into a money making scheme.
1414mwh (7 years ago)
@TheStefanNestor Rembrandt think that it explains away the skill of very talented artists. I realize that there is much more to it than the lines of the painting, which is why it bothers me on a personal level. A painting is so much more than that, but unfortunately, I think that is lost on some of his audience. It hinders artists trying to sell their work today and makes a mockery of some of the best artists in history. I understand what you're saying, but that's why I think it is a big deal.
1414mwh (7 years ago)
@TheStefanNestor ...would never be in the same place as you looked back and forth from your canvas while painting. I'm a realist painter, and I've had people ask me if I know who David Hockney is, and considering there are very few similarities between our work, I assume the real question they're alluding to is, "Do you use a grid"? It puts a black eye on a whole new generation of realist artists, because to people who don't understand the sentiment surrounding your comments about Rembrandt...
1414mwh (7 years ago)
@TheStefanNestor I've seen his drawings, and they are somewhat realistic, but what bothers me is the stigma surrounding the use of grids and camera obscura. It seems like his aim is to debunk the skill of realist artists. The problem with his theory is that there are many artists capable of creating realist art from live models without the use of these the tools mentioned, which is far more believable considering how difficult it would be to shade in the dark, or to use a wire grid which...
1414mwh (7 years ago)
His theories are offensive. He just wants to sell his book, and promote his shitty art by making realist art seem fraudulent.
1414mwh (7 years ago)
@ammusi Artists often paint things out of focus because they want the viewer to concentrate on certain focal points. It's an artists way of saying, this is what I want you to see. This is what's important. Also, if you notice, the parts that he points out are very small details. I don't know the size of the paintings, but they look as if they would be very difficult to paint with any brush and achieve photographic accuracy.
ammusi (7 years ago)
I don't know if Mr. Hockney's ideas are correct or not - they could be. He seems to have upset alot of people here. It does leave the question open as WHY would Vermeer paint a basket out of focus? Why would he even think of painting a basket out of focus?
Joanna Mortreux (7 years ago)
is it just me or does this interviewer seem a mixture of being bored and dismissive?
Zentrist (9 years ago)
the great thing about Mr Hockney is he is still here and looking great! what a gift to society !
guitars2112 (9 years ago)
cool that was real insightful

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